Jay Valko is a tough jiu jitsu competitor and the owner of Valko BJJ in Chicago.
The conversation takes a serious turn as Nic and Jay start discussing politics and how difficult it is for people to change their viewpoints.
The guys give their opinions on Sam Harris and Jordan Petersen and then the conversation turns towards the jiu jitsu competition scene and Jay explains why he hasn’t competed much over the last several years.
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